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    • #2152
      danielwimble
      Participant

      Hi Jonathan,

       

      loving coming back to this course and looking at all the content beyond styling.  My question is, do you deliver a mix of Gutenberg blocks styled with oxygen as well as acf fields for editable content?  Curious if youre making use of both when handing over to a client or just Acf.

      Ps I missed ACF pro lifetime deal so im kinda stuck with paying their new rates (unless someone gifts me use of their sub for one my LTDs:)).  Should I just get a licence for me, and use the staging extra licence on their site while i build it and be upfront about them having to pay a yearly fee?

      I have two small sites coming up real soon and these are my first customers ever, both non techies so looking at making it as super simple for them, moving forward i see this a HUGE selling point.

       

    • #2160
      Jonathan
      Keymaster

      Hey Daniel, really great question.

       

      So there's a number of different ways that you can tackle this issue and for me it really comes down to what exactly is the client going to need to edit on a regular basis, how technical that user is, and how flexible does the page/post need to be.

       

      If they want to have design flexibility in something like their blog post, I will typically go with Gutenberg blocks. Now those have their own drawbacks in Oxygen so again that is entirely dependent on whether or not they need a bunch of fancy designs in their blog post.

       

      When I'm working with my clients, typically I am asking them up front what they need to be editing on a regular basis and I will build ACF field groups in the back end of those pages or posts for them to be able to edit. I find that is the easiest way to give them control over their site but not too much to where it's overwhelming.

       

      I will admit I have had some less technical clients feel a bit overwhelmed by more complicated ACF field groups, but I also have had some where there is a number of nested rows and columns that have immediately grasped it and now never need to reach out to me to add content to their site. They have complete power to do it on their own.

      So I hope this helps you somewhat. Like I already mentioned it really comes down to each specific use case for me but I typically gravitate more towards Advanced Custom Fields rather than Gutenberg at this time. I think if the oxygen Gutenberg integration gets better, then I will probably go that route in the future. 

      Also to the point of the cost of advanced custom fields, I would just recommend you work that into client project so that it's paying for itself because the power that ACF gives you in oxygen is so much greater than the cost in terms of the dollar figure. 

       

      Great question! 

    • #2169
      danielwimble
      Participant

      Hi Jonathan,

      based on what you've said above i'll be taking the same approach but with a leaning towards ACF as I'm feeling it's a more solid choice based on the way Oxygen is reflecting changes in Gutenberg ie. none.

      You've got me thinking I  may have priced up my first two jobs wrong, I have quoted them a one off fee of $550 and $800, with no yearly retainer/maintenance.

      I'd love to know more about  "I would just recommend you work that into client project so that it's paying for itself"

      So my questions are, ( and i know its very personal but these are my first gigs so they are never going to be my ideal price but pretend you're in my shoes).

      • Ideally should a newbie web developer be charging clients a yearly/monthly fee.
      • If yes, is it a rough percentage of the overall job.
      • Is it limited to fixed number of updates or man hours per year/ month.
      • If no recurring fee,  do you charge hourly for changes?

      I'm a bit stumped on how I can work the  cost of ACF pro into their site with their new subscription model, and would love to know how to move forward with this as since discovering ACF a few days ago really cant see me building without it now.

      Please move this post if you think it would be better as its own topic.

      PS - Mind blown by the flexible content lesson. Actually losing sleep over the possibilities. Exciting times indeed 🙂

       

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    • #2289
      Jonathan
      Keymaster

      Hey again Daniel,

      You had a bunch of other great questions so I decided to throw it all into a live stream:

      https://youtu.be/8EBejBU0KVI

      Hope you enjoy it!

    • #2554
      danielwimble
      Participant

      Hi Jonathan,

       

      loved the stream.  Since then I've delivered one site (non-recurring) with oxygen client control enabled, seems to be enough flexibility there without giving them the "key to the castle".

       

      Very odd watching you read out my questions on YT! - in a good way though. Thanks again for answering those in a video 🙂

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